13 Dec, 2008

Are SEO consultants worth the money?

Posted by: Justin Parks In: Business on the Web| Search Engine Optimisation

I came across a blog article today and was going to write a short reply to it.  It turned into a bit of an essay.  My biggest problem is explaining the big picture concisely enough to capture all the facts and not myself look like an idiot… easily done.

The post I commented on was here:

Are SEO consultants worth the money?

My reply is posted but I have included it below for reference.

Hi kmknight.

I do SEO myself and web design and anything else web related that comes along I suppose. I agree about the rates on SEO being surprisingly high and understand exactly what you are saying about doing it yourself to save money but I will raise a few points for you to consider and maybe this will go towards understanding why the rates can be like this.

1. Target keyword competition
2. changes in requirements
3. Linking quantity of quality
4. Navigation and usability
5. Social networking

1. Getting to the top of the listings for a specific targeted keyword is not easy if the competition is high. The standard method is the long haul of building good quality content over the long term and aiming towards a specific keyword by the end to generate more traffic, visits and return. Its all market dependant and if you check the PCC rates some high target keywords can be as much as 12 dollars A CLICK.

2. Google likes to change and adapt. If your running a business then you wont have the time to stay on top, so a dedicated “SEO specialist” should be on their game and aware of these upcoming changes and be ready to adapt to them. One prominent change coming is the localisation Google is implementing and this will affect many sites and their rankings (again). Business owners will always be looking for reliable people to outsource specific works hence the reaon for the existance of marketing companies, PR firms, designers, developers, builders, suppliers etc. Its all about the service.

3. Getting loads of links may be good. But it might be bad. SEO specialists should be able to find and obtain quality links rather than bulk loads of junk. One decent quality link may take 6 months to obtain but could be worth 1000 junk links. Would a business owner have the time or know how in acquiring this? No. The SEO Specialist should though.

4.SEO is on-site and off-site. Like you mentioned its ok getting 10,000 visits at the end of the day but if they are not buying then the site has something fundamentally wrong. SEO specialists should be able to manipulate the functionality and presentation of the site to ensure that those visits are being maximised to the greatest degree. I have always said I would prefer 100 visits and 90 purchases to 10,000 visits and 90 purchases. It all eats away at the ROI of the business in unseen costs such as bandwidth etc.

5. Blogging and branding are the way forward it seems in the social networking world and carefully structuring a brand around a product takes time and patience. Bad SEO practitioners will use every trick in the book to make a fast buck and eventually be removed or detested because of this. Building a respectable name and reputation is never easy.

For example, on your blog are you using the No follow attribute? Is this comment going to benefit me in any way because it is benefiting you. No follow is one small example of a bad idea that is automatically implemented and has to be removed by the user. Based on the theory that it would deter spam it hasn’t actually worked out like that and actually discourages people from interacting in the web 2.0 environment. I believe that a “real” comment should receive some benefit. It will encourage me to come back and read more on your blog and you gain a loyal visitor who will help grow your blog via interaction. Why shouldn’t the commenter be receiving some “link juice” as repayment for the time they are putting in?

Add all this together and you have a serious amount of variables to consider to adapt to, analyse and develop and while every man and his dog claims to be an SEO expert it is only the very few who have the ability to implement and apply all the required aspects of a Search Engine Optimisation specialist. How much would you value that person if they where helping you to make a serious income?

The biggest problem is the idiots out there who take people for money and deliver nothing or very little in return. (of course some clients expectations are totally unreasonable as well but that’s a different story for a different day).

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  • Update... sigh... you just cant help but shake your head:

    My latest comment on the above article.

    Oh and by the way, googling for the title of this article brings up exactly the same article on http://www.helium.com in the number 1 position. Are you Brenna Mae?

    http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=Are+SEO+cons...

    Article here:
    http://www.helium.com/items/1259110-seo-consult...

    I hope you haven’t ripped this off.
  • Yes, I am BrennaMae on Helium. It's my pen name...I use it because Helium is much more popular than my blog, and I write on various topics other than web development, and so I do want a bit of privacy.

    It says right on my about page that most of my articles are featured titles on Helium.com...I've been writing there for years and have transferred the related articles over to my blog. I have every right to do this...it is my writing and Helium is a way for my articles to get more exposure. If you go on my profile: http://www.helium.com/users/edit_show/285532, you'll see I even have Webitect.net listed as one of my links.

    About 50% of my articles are from my BrennaMae pen name. If I were ripping off articles on Helium, wouldn't I choose the #1 ranked ones ALL the time? Why would I just choose them from this one person's profile?

    Yes it is me, and no I'm not stealing any work.

    I'm not ranting because you disagree with my side on this topic, I'm ranting because you're blaming me for stealing work.

    Like I said before, this is a Helium title, and I'm not quite sure why you're only attacking my article and not the other three listed. You clearly had enough motivation to research my specific article and attack it, but you didn't research in closely enough.
  • Excellent news. Comment posted on Kaylas article: http://webitect.net/?p=324
  • Hi,

    I am also a web designer/developer and understand what is involved in SEO when executed correctly, that is why I limit my SEO work. The problem is that there are a lot of cowboys out there offer guarantee's of 1st place in search engines in 2 weeks, etc. They forget to mention that they may be using obscure keyword searches to obtain this. Average Joe taking on an Internet project for the first time has no understanding of SEO. Be gentle with them, they will come round eventually.

    regards
    George
  • Absolutely agree George, thanks for taking the time to comment.

    Its these cowboys (or idiots as well who think they know) who put us and our clients in very difficult positions as expectations and results are tampered by reality checks and the facts when the job is being done right. Such is the way of things I suppose, but I dont have to like it!
  • Hey George, Justin -

    You guys are on the money with your comments. The problem as I see it, is that for a web site owner to be able to tell a solid SEO strategy/proposal from a scammy/dodgy proposal, he or she needs to know enough to be able handle the basics of SEO him or her self.

    We all know it is much easier to rank for a 5 word key phrase than for a single word keyphrase in a popular niche. If the 5 word key phrase is getting a reasonable number of searches, then it can be a valid optimization target. If it's getting nothing, then proposing it as part of the criterion for a successful optimization is scammy. To most business owners, their web site is secondary to their offline advertising efforts and they wouldn't know to ask the question about the amount of searches each of the proposed key phrases might be getting.

    As such they are easy prey for the unethical folks in our industry, spend money on SEO, see no return on their investment and spend the rest of their lives bad mouthing SEO as a worthless service.

    The only solution to this as I see it is for folks like us to publish a list of ethical SEO practices that we disseminate as far and wide across the net as we can, in the hopes that people searching for SEO info or services will come across it, read it and use it as a guideline for selecting an SEO.

    I'll start the list, feel free to add to it:

    As an Ethical SEO, I promise to:

    1) Only optimize a client page for keywords or phrases that can meet the client's stated traffic goals.

    2) Never submit a site to a search engine as this no longer has any value.

    3) Avoid keyword stuffing in meta tags or in the page content

    4) Write good solid readable content that will enhance the desired conversion activity while simultaneously improving search rankings.

    5) Always implement analytics on the pages I touch so I can provide quantitative proof of progress as both traffic and conversions increase.

    6) Do link building focused on relevant sites or blogs, using the appropriate anchor text where possible.

    7) Avoid building many links with the exact same anchor text.

    8) Avoid building pages with essentially identical content within the client site.



    You guys take over ... it's late here and I need to get some sleep.

    Cheers,

    Jim
  • Well I can see that my proposal went over well.... :-)

    Cheers,

    Jim
  • Hi Jim, I have actually have been looking for a full on statement of this, I came across it before. Just been run of my feet the last few days!
  • Great honest post, thank you.
    I also think that a commenter has to receive some benefits and making blog dofollow is just a very small thing a blogger can do to conciliate his visitors and build up a loyal readership.

    I have an artcile on the ethics of blog commenting, perhaps you or some of your readers may find it helpful:

    http://www.seolight-blogger.com/2009/04/06/blog...

    Regards,
    Anton
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